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January 17, 2005
teletubbies
not as sweet as they look

Slick Willy spent a good hour dry humping the leg of a child's teletubby doll. My best guess is -- he figured he had a lot in common with Tinky Winky -- physique being the first and foremost.
Apparently that sentiment was not shared.
Stay tuned for Slick Willy's heart surgery. Just play along and pretend like he has one, ok?
Posted by Moxie at January 17, 2005 4:38 PM
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As I'm typing while listening to Roe(she wants Roe v. Wade overturned now) on Hannity & Colmes, I can hear the trolls sharpening knives. I can hear them saying "Mocksie is a kn0tsy!11one" now. I'm sure they won't stand for the blasphemy of calling Bill "I feel your pain while biting my lip" Cliton(sic?) heartless.
Unfortunately, I'm not going to be around the Moxtopia for the next few months, so Mike will have one less thorn in his side while trolling. In any case, keep up the good counter-trolling efforts, guys and gals. I'll probably return to the blog regularly in the summer. Until then, I hope everything goes well for Moxie, her blog, and her offline endeavors.
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Before I go, I have a confession to make. Since all of the gloomy news in '04 began, I thought John Kerry was going to win the election. I was biting my nails like a "doubting Thomas" the whole time leading up to the election, but the blogging scene was my Prozac. I would like to thank Moxie for giving me a forum to post my crap. I would like to thank Mike for providing me a pinko commie straw man to take out my pre-election frustrations on.(I'm sorry for being a dick, Mike, but I really thought your radically misguided side was gonna win.) I also thank the rest of the Moxtopians for the good times we had while rambling before and after the election.
Regards,
Reagan80
Spawn of Libertarians and Reaganites
Posted by: reagan80 at January 17, 2005 8:46 PM
Biggest defecit in history. There is not a worse crime. Don't forget it.
Posted by: JOHN at January 17, 2005 11:05 PM
Hahaha! "There is not a worse crime."
Hahahahaha! Man, that's great! Deficits > crimes against humanity!
"The seriousness of genocide pales in comparison to the seriousness of a decade's projected governmental revenues being lower than that decade's projected expenditures, even if it is only by a negligible percentage of that government's nation's GDP."
"Using nerve gas on children is not as bad as governmental expenditures going up by 4%."
Why don't you guys just change your mantra to "Anything George W. Bush does is the biggest crime against humanity the world has ever seen, ever!!!" You would appear no less ridiculous than you already do, and you would have the benefit of at least having been honest in your inanity.
Posted by: Drunken Phu at January 18, 2005 10:22 AM
DP, I hope they continue to talk and think like that. As they look more and more ridiculous they'll lose more elections.
As to Slick Willie "feeling my pain," if I had ever believed that I would have gotten up at 0400 every morning and slammed my hand in my car door.
Posted by: Gary Wiltshire at January 18, 2005 11:50 AM
I was so hoping for face down in a toilet
Posted by: ron at January 18, 2005 2:57 PM
Well crimes against humanity...
Theres receving oral sex in the oval office for Clinton...
For Bush there is the needless killing of American troops.
Not to mention the killing of Iraqi civillians.
I mean in my life I can get oral from an adult and not break the law... I can't shoot someone and not break the law.
Posted by: bongthegong at January 18, 2005 5:00 PM
Bong the bore...
Only 50 Million liberated in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN...
Women once considered 'property' are voting in Afghanistan now...
Meanwhile, Bill and Hillary lied about the GENOCIDE in RWANDA, that was a true crime against humanity...
Your folly is showing...
It is pathetic.
Sure, Bill Clinton inserted Cigars into an Intern in the OVAL OFFICE, but he also ignored the growing threats of Islamo-fascism, while they brutalized the World...
Posted by: Michael BOY Moto at January 18, 2005 8:49 PM
And we ignore tons of countries that are under oppression right now. Iraq and Afganistan aren't the only countries, you know. If by liberated you mean in a civil war, then yes they are liberated. I sure am glad the people of Iraq can vote and be liberated while locked up in there houses afraid to leave. If Iraq is in such a great condiditon, why are we still there?
Posted by: bongthegong at January 18, 2005 9:21 PM
Hi, Moxie! Just in case you ever read these silly comments....I just love you and I want to be a citizen of Moxtopia!!! Maybe if I ever make it back to LA I can stop by the compound sometime? I saw you on Dennis Miller a few months ago and checked out your web site, and now I just love it!!! My biggest complaint is not enough fotos of you, though.
Why don't you tell Dennis to have you back on the show? You should be a regular! And please get booked on O'Reilly, Hannity and Colmes, Scarborough, etc.
Actually, what would make me really happy is Moxie having her own TV or radio program. I hear MSNBC is giving Deborah Norville the axe (which is crazy; she's the hottest 46 year old on earth)....I think you and Tucker should share her time slot after she packs it up. Keep up the good work!
un beso,
Ravi
Posted by: Ravi at January 18, 2005 11:35 PM
Face down in a cess pool (the DNC) is more appropriate. Of course he could be that way because Hilary just gave him a blow-job and forgot to take her teeth out.....or maybe it was John Kerry who forgot to take his teeth out before putting the lip lock on Bill's love muscle. Whatever....I fantasize about seeing actual photos of Bill face down somewhere.
Posted by: Vulgorilla at January 19, 2005 7:49 AM
"Biggest defecit (sic) in history. There is not a worse crime. Don't forget it."
Aside from the silliness of "worse crime" it isn't even a factual statement. As a percentage of GDP it isn't even close to being the biggest deficit-- in fact the early 90's one was quite a bit larger. Additionally the deficit is already shrinking thanks to the tax cuts of 2003. If you don't understand how that is happening study the Laffer Curve. And, by the way, don't forget it.
Posted by: Mr. Dart at January 19, 2005 8:12 AM
John the Bongbore writes:
"I mean in my life I can get oral from an adult..."
doubtin' it
"I can't shoot someone..."
methinks weaponless
Posted by: Mr. Dart at January 19, 2005 8:19 AM
Btg: And we ignore tons of countries that are under oppression right now.
Are you asserting that if you are unable to stop all rapes that you shouldn’t attempt to stop any?
Because that’s what it sounds like you are asserting.
Btg: Iraq and Afghanistan aren't the only countries, you know.
Correct, and by the same token some women are raped despite Societies best efforts to prevent rape. Some rapists even appear to escape Societies consequences in the here and now.
Does this mean that prosecuting any rape case is as foolish and misguided as our “foolish” and “misguided” wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Btg: If by liberated you mean in a civil war, then yes they are liberated.
Do you honestly believe that a complete system of law and order spontaneously and instantaneously arises by magic wherever anarchy exists?
Did the Old American West go from the relative Anarchy and lawlessness of its beginnings to a complete modern police and criminal justice system in an instant or did those institutions require Time, Energy, and Effort to establish?
I bet you are an Atheist who believes that Order (a pattern in the energy) arises by magic? Or perhaps you believe that Order is merely an illusion (reality is “random” and “meaningless”?)?
Btg: I sure am glad the people of Iraq can vote and be liberated while locked up in there houses afraid to leave. If Iraq is in such a great condition, why are we still there?
Would you prefer to be locked up in your house and afraid to leave?
Ultimately Individuals always suffer the consequences for their own actions. And it is always better to settle your karmic debts sooner rather than later.
Thank the Goddess we have a Commander in Chief who comprehends this simple principle.
Posted by: The Serpent at January 19, 2005 8:37 AM
Serpy,
why waste time, dude? Refer to the article of faith underlying everything these guys think and say. "Anything done by George W. Bush is the worst ever crime against humanity ever committed, ever!!"
Logic is wasted on religious zealots so save your breath, man.
Oh and by the way, I don't think Rwanda and Afghanistan/Iraq are comparable because there was no national security implication in Rwanda. There are plenty of things to criticize Clinton for on the security front, but Rwanda ain't one of 'em.
Posted by: Drunken Phu at January 19, 2005 10:50 AM
What is the benefit of liberating a country? I see no immediate benefit for our country, by liberating another. We are slowly turning into Afganistan and Iraq. Lets fix our country first.
Posted by: bongthegong at January 19, 2005 2:28 PM
Oh....and in the time it's taken to "liberate" Iraq our founding fathers had a country running. So yeah, we aren't really showing much progress.
Posted by: bongthegong at January 19, 2005 2:30 PM
Hey RAygun,
Thanks for the kind words, dude. Going on sabbatical to ......? I was, in fact I think I will, change my handle to Straw man. So consider this my notice, the beacon of truth formerly known as mike shall henceforth be called by "straw man" This will make all the posts that rail against what they wished I believed or said more readable and will eliminate the head scratching required to make the connection between what I said and how they responded. Now that Serpent is back this will be more important than ever as he is the most egregious set'em up and knock down guy on this blog.
But Raygone, as you will fondly be remembered, I will not miss your frivolous, intellectually rigid reasoning for there is no end of those willing to spew their guts defending the likes of the Bush Crew and their evil policies, bountiful euphemisms for truth, and failing economic and foreign policies, not to mention the still dead and always dotty gipper .
Did you count the number of euphemisms that Condiliar used so not to have to use the word L word? It was pretty funny. She is a liar, of course, a nonpareil, (chocolate beneath with an incomplete dotted white candy shell) liar, well maybe Chainee holds the title, but she is a close runner up. I think she would be thrilled if some wily willy asked to explore her innards with the working end of a lit cigar. She just has that "Oh beat me daddy" look about her. A permanent SEG that appears to be a neurolepticly induced rictus coupled with a hair cut that was already looking kinda old on the streets of Selma in 1959, makes you suspect that she was institutionalized in the late 50’s and released last year still wearing the same clothing. Oh, please, I don’t really hate her for how she looks, although she is a mieskeit but she is just such an archetype; the brainy, can’t get a date, brown nosing, serious to a fault, haughty girl we all laughed at because she just had no clue. We all knew her type in HS. The kind of girl W would rag on mercilessly with his buddies in the locker room then try to charm into doing his homework. She is damaged goods, sooooo happy to be with the popular folks and so happy to do what ever they say to do……...
Karl-
“Aluminum tubes, Condi, look, we know they are too narrow and anodized to work in a centrifuge even if he had centrifuges, and your people have that memo telling you they were for making rocket propelled shells, but, fuck girl, everyone is gonna believe you. They know you've got no time to read EVERYTHING. Just tell them that they have no other use than making nu-cular ( be sure to say it that way, the boss'll never say it right) material to bomb ‘merican’s. Liberals are too scared to call a black woman a liar and the rest of ‘em are too dumb to know a centrifuge from a centipede, don’t worry about it, later you can say you were dumb, no wait, not dumb, just tell’em Tenant’s guys gave you the wrong data, they’ll identify and be sympathetic and as a Russian specialist you never studied metallurgy or read a David McCauley book. Same for that ‘who could have thought’ routine about planes as weapons. I know, I know, a guy tried to kill Dick Nixon with a plane, but that was years ago….. you forgot! We all forgot, well Coulter prolly remembers. Dick told her all sorts of shit, think he was fucking her? Well, just say it and don’t forget the ‘move heaven and earth” line. W’s gonna say it too, (if he can remember) so you two will sound like you’re on the same page. Rubes’ll eat it up. Remember say it with that haughty but sincere bit you’ve been working on with little Joe.”
I think they found a way to raise Gerbils from the dead to run their propaganda machine. That Anderson Williams thing was brilliant! Fucking Ron Paige, what a bimbo, but loyal. Said with a straight face that it was just “normal outsourcing” to contract with “people” to spread the word about that “No child has a left behind” program. Paige, that bozo cooked the books on the Houston dropout records, right? Story never stuck though, more of little Joe’s magic. What a laugh, we got serious mileage out that one. Friday is the “ignore the nation” and we are going to party! Wait till you see Condi dance! Maybe she’ll ease off on the meds and really let loose. I hear she once had a gig working behind King Creole. Can’t wait.
So, good luck to you Ray and like Tristero I await silently (hah) your return.
Posted by: strawman at January 19, 2005 4:51 PM
Bongthegong: What is the benefit of liberating a country?
I’m not sure (relative to you). But perhaps if you could explain the benefit of preventing a rape then I could explain the benefit of liberating a country by means of analogy (logical equivalence).
Bongthegong: I see no immediate benefit for our country, by liberating another.
That depends upon whether or not you have a fundamental belief in the concept of Causality (cause and effect). If you believe that Causality is True in reality then you probably recognize that the reason the United States hasn’t been attacked on its own soil -- post 9/11 -- has to do with Causality, and is not the result of random magic (“coincidence”, or supernatural "luck").
Bongthegong: We are slowly turning into Afghanistan and Iraq.
In what specific way are we becoming more like Iraq and/or Afghanistan?
Bongthegong: Lets fix our country first.
Right … this is exactly the same reason we shouldn’t be wasting money on Billion dollar space stations … or exploring Mars … or on Tsunami aid to foreigners.
We need to concentrate on our own problems first! (and since I am a male, Rape is not my problem!)
Bongthegong: Oh....and in the time it's taken to "liberate" Iraq our founding fathers had a country running.
I think the American Revolution took a little longer than our present liberation of Iraq. I’d remind you that as late as the War of 1812 our original nemesis was still attacking us with impunity and burning and sacking our capital city virtually unopposed.
Posted by: The Serpent at January 20, 2005 11:08 AM
Quoted from somewhere. The last light killed me.
> Inaugural price tag in line with history
> Reuters news agency this week headlined a story, "Critics Say Bush Inaugural
> Too Lavish for Wartime," then quoted one "critic," Rep. Anthony Weiner, New
> York Democrat, who complained that the estimated $40 million for the
> Bush-Cheney inauguration is extravagant. ...
>
> But a review of the cost for past inaugurations shows Mr. Bush's will cost
> less than President Clinton's second inauguration in 1997, which cost about
> $42 million. When the cost is adjusted for inflation, Mr. Clinton's
> second-term celebration exceeds Mr. Bush's by about 25 percent.
>
> According to the Consumer Price Index, $42 million in 1997 is the equivalent
> of $49.5 in 2004.
>
> The significant majority of funding for this year's festivities, including
> nine officials balls, are from private donations and tickets for events held
> by the Presidential Inaugural Committee, a similar setup to fund raising Mr.
> Clinton used to underwrite his inauguration. Mr. Clinton had a record 12
> balls in 1997.
Posted by: braak at January 20, 2005 2:34 PM
Hey Serpent,
Let me ask you something now that you are out and your meds have been reduced, What is it about rape that has you so fixated? You seem to be willing to invade a country to stop them or think that it should be a lynch pin of our foreign policy. Don't get me wrong, I think it is a heinous crime, but Serp get real, plenty of rapes take place in the US too! Everywhere in fact, were they of a worse sort in Iraq than say in Indonesia or Cambodia or Kuwait?
And BTW the shuttle program and the space station were/are terrific wastes of vst sums of money. NOTHING has come out of either program. Not one scientific discovery or industrial or biological process of significance. NASA just knows how to burn up money in the guise of "scientific exploration". I am not one of those people who thinks we can't spend money for theoretical exploration but I am someone who believes it must pass the smell test. Had we continued with the Soviet Energia hydrogen rocket program (which Clinton failed to purchase) we might have a heavy lifter that could place us back on the moon or Mars. At the moment we have a less vaible program than we had in 1975. It is a shame how much money has been wasted over the last 2-3 decades on the shuttle and space station. Search the Scientific American articals for a piece written by Sally Ride and some other astronaughts on this issue.
Posted by: strawman at January 20, 2005 5:20 PM
I’m not sure (relative to you). But perhaps if you could explain the benefit of preventing a rape then I could explain the benefit of liberating a country by means of analogy (logical equivalence).
???? I fail to see how rapes are being prevented in anyway. If I was in one of those countries right now I could theoretically get away with rape.
If you believe that Causality is True in reality then you probably recognize that the reason the United States hasn’t been attacked on its own soil -- post 9/11 --
Now, you are making sense. Yes, we are doing a good job of keeping the country safe. However, any person with a college education and a cabinet could do exactly the same work. I do, however think there are certain measures we are talking to combat terrorism that invade civil liberties. The Patriot Act and NORA for example.
In what specific way are we becoming more like Iraq and/or Afghanistan?
That was hyperbolae that we are spending so much to "fix" those countries and not enough on us. Also a quick jab on how the president is ignoring the plea of a large US percentage. I mean he has the right to but we do live in a democracy. His actions are more suitable for a dictatorship.
Bongthegong: Lets fix our country first.
Right … this is exactly the same reason we shouldn’t be wasting money on Billion dollar space stations … or exploring Mars … or on Tsunami aid to foreigners.
Thats right! President Bush signed some intitives that gave billions to Mars.
We need to concentrate on our own problems first!
I never hear anyone who holds any weight in this country talk about rape. Well, except liberals. Up until like a week ago it was Weapons of Mass Distruction this and that. I guess my problem is I don't really see a map of whats going to happen in the future. I mean the president is just kind of hoarding troops overseas idlely. I see no plan of action.
I think the American Revolution took a little longer than our present liberation of Iraq. I’d remind you that as late as the War of 1812 our original nemesis was still attacking us with impunity and burning and sacking our capital city virtually unopposed.
Well it's how you want to cut it. Iraq has remained unliberated for 25 years. Of course if you want to look at when we started our liberation then yes, you are right. Also, keep in mind, our whole country was based on non conforming to a country we thought was oppressing us. The news is very biased and all I really see is the hate they have for us. Maybe if you would like to show me something otherwise, I will have to compare us to a kind of England.
I respect you much sir. Unlike most people on this site, and general Republicans I talk to, you seem to at least back everything you say up and don't just bash me.
I am a liberal person but I really have no heart. I feel if the rich people can spare money then they should do it. I don't care about other people or their dead babies. I only really care about myself. If Bush admitted that he is just there for oil then I would say, "Awsome." Then if my gas prices didn't go down I would complain some more. I think it's mighty daring to start a war on the basis of finishing something far in the future.
Posted by: bongthegong at January 21, 2005 12:05 AM
You know what I like about you Strawman … ?
Your posts come with their own refutation.
Strawman: What is it about rape that has you so fixated?
Serpent: I think [rape] is a heinous crime.
Strawman: were [rapes] of a worse sort in Iraq than say in Indonesia or Cambodia or Kuwait?
Serpent: Are you asserting that if you are unable to stop all rapes that you shouldn’t attempt to stop any?
Strawman: the shuttle program and the space station were/are terrific wastes of vast sums of money.
Finally, you say something I can agree with.
Strawman: NOTHING has come out of either program.
Well, I wouldn’t go that far, we did get Tang ™ for all those billions.
But perhaps you can explain to me, why – if space travel is so important -- does money to fund it have to be taken by force (by the government) at gunpoint?
If the citizens of this country really were as concerned about “space travel” as the Atheists claim that they are, I would think that their would be a thriving Privately funded “space travel industry”.
Strawman: we might have a heavy lifter that could place us back on the moon or Mars.
Nothing would make me happier than to see you back on the Moon (or Mars).
Posted by: The Serpent at January 21, 2005 7:39 AM
Bongthegong: I fail to see how rapes are being prevented in anyway. If I was in one of those countries right now I could theoretically get away with rape.
Well theoretically you could get away with rape in this country … but that wasn’t my point.
Perhaps you don’t see any difference between having Saddam Hussein and his vicious minions has your ruler and source of law enforcement or having Ayad Allawi and the U.S. military as your ruler and source of law enforcement? As I said, I don’t know how reality is perceived relative to you unless you explain (articulate) it to me first.
Bongthegong: Now, you are making sense. Yes, we are doing a good job of keeping the country safe. However, any person with a college education and a cabinet could do exactly the same work. I do, however think there are certain measures we are talking to combat terrorism that invade civil liberties. The Patriot Act and NORA for example.
Neither the Patriot Act nor NORA have intruded on my civil liberties in any negative fashion, nor have they intruded on the civil liberties of anyone I hold dear.
But look, by the same token, I am quite certain that the laws against rape and child molestation are very inconvenient for individuals who find it beneficial to rape women and molest children.
I don’t consider that a bad thing. You seem to be implying I should.
Bongthegong: [On America becoming more like Afghanistan or Iraq …] That was hyperbolae that we are spending so much to "fix" those countries and not enough on us.
I think a lot of Individuals who believe the War is a wise path of action would argue that by spending money on Iraq and Afghanistan we are (indirectly) spending money on ourselves (like an insurance policy) for the future.
These same Individuals would probably argue that National Defense is the primary (and perhaps only) legitimate function of Government.
Bongthegong: Also a quick jab on how the president is ignoring the plea of a large US percentage. I mean he has the right to but we do live in a democracy. His actions are more suitable for a dictatorship.
So you are suggesting that the essence of Democracy is Minority Rule???
George Bush won the election, and he won it with a sizeable margin. A majority of Americans support this War.
Democracy is based on the notion that the path of action which (ultimately) benefits the greatest number of Individuals the most is always (ultimately) the best course of action to take.
Bongthegong: [Space exploration wasteful ...]That’s right! President Bush signed some initiatives that gave billions to Mars.
Placating the Atheists.
An error in my judgment, but Bush is a kinder Individual than I am, of course he is also a Christian.
Bongthegong: I never hear anyone who holds any weight in this country talk about rape. Well, except liberals. Up until like a week ago it was Weapons of Mass Destruction this and that. I guess my problem is I don't really see a map of whats going to happen in the future. I mean the president is just kind of hoarding troops overseas idly. I see no plan of action.
You put your hand on a hot stove burner, and you get burned. But that’s why you don’t go around putting your hand on hot stove burners that often … well … at least not unless you’re weird and you are into that sort of thing …
In any event, it is the same deal with the War against Terrorism (Islamofascism) … right?
I mean, the reason that people don’t punch you in the head when they see you is because if they did that it would be very likely that you might punch them back.
Liberals are the guys who let you punch them in the head, and don’t ever want to punch back. So after a while the bad guys of the world realize that they can punch Liberals in the head with impunity. After a while the bad guys of the world start to wonder if maybe all Americans will let you punch them in the head with impunity.
The answer is No.
Bongthegong: Also, keep in mind, our whole country was based on non conforming to a country we thought was oppressing us.
That is a valid point, but only if you believe that the U.S. is forcing a Constitution or Bill of Rights onto the Iraqi’s against their wishes. But that is not the case.
We are giving the Iraqi people an opportunity for Democracy.
And Democracy is the form of government that provides the greatest benefit to the greatest number of Individuals.
Bongthegong: I respect you much sir. Unlike most people on this site, and general Republicans I talk to, you seem to at least back everything you say up and don't just bash me.
I have nothing against you either. You seem like a decent person. You’re coherent, interesting, reasonable. I’ve enjoyed our conversation as well.
BTW, I consider myself more of a Libertarian than a Republican, although I am not entirely uncomfortable with the “Conservative” label.
Posted by: The Serpent at January 21, 2005 8:17 AM
Bongthegong: I am a liberal person but I really have no heart.
You realize that “Heart” is a synonym for Soul (Consciousness)??
Could you define the term “Liberal” for me? What does it mean to be a “Liberal”?
Bongthegong: I feel if the rich people can spare money then they should do it.
“Rich” is a relative term though … isn’t it?
You mean that you believe Consciousness is more important (more fundamental?) than “the Matter”?
Bongthegong: I don't care about other people or their dead babies. I only really care about myself.
You do not perceive any inherent contradiction in this position?
(If your parents didn’t have any children, the odds are that you won’t have any either!)
Bongthegong: If Bush admitted that he is just there for oil then I would say, "Awsome." Then if my gas prices didn't go down I would complain some more.
I applaud your honesty (extremely refreshing).
Bongthegong: I think it's mighty daring to start a war on the basis of finishing something far in the future.
Once again, I’d say that goes hand-in-hand with whether or not you believe that there is a fundamental purpose (Order) to existence or not. If you have a fundamental acceptance of the notion of Causality in your Heart then you will probably agree with what Bush is doing, and if you fundamentally deny the notion of Causality in your Heart, then you probably perceive that George Bush is doing exactly the opposite of what he should be doing.
Posted by: The Serpent at January 21, 2005 9:09 AM
Serpent... You rock!
Posted by: perfectd at January 21, 2005 6:47 PM
Lets point out that we actually constructed a Constitution for Iraq.
Also we kind of won the majority 4 years ago... but that didn't really matter did it.
I wouldn't say Bush won by a sizable margin. I mean If Ohio went Kerry then it would be different.
Also the enitre American public isn't deciding if Bush should be president. It's just the people that can vote.
Democracy is minority RIGHT and majority rule.
I mean with so many people against Bush I can't accept he's great or good.
Posted by: bongthegong at January 21, 2005 10:39 PM
Bongthegong: Lets point out that we actually constructed a Constitution for Iraq.
I do not believe your information is accurate:
http://www.cpa-iraq.org/government/TAL.html
Bongthegong: Also we kind of won the majority 4 years ago... but that didn't really matter did it.
Algore???
Once again, I believe you are relying on inaccurate information.
Bongthegong: I wouldn't say Bush won by a sizable margin.
“Sizeable margin” is another relative term.
But I would call 3 million individuals a “sizeable margin”.
Bongthegong: I mean If Ohio went Kerry then it would be different.
Sure, and if Japan had never bombed Pearl harbor then it would be different too.
Bongthegong: Also the entire American public isn't deciding if Bush should be president. It's just the people that can vote.
I’m not sure I follow? Who makes the rules at your house … the children, or the parents?
Bongthegong: Democracy is minority RIGHT and majority rule.
You seem to be hinting that there is a superior system to Democracy without specifying exactly what that system might be?
Bongthegong: I mean with so many people against Bush I can't accept he's great or good.
Well, a lot of people are against “God”, but I don’t think that makes her any less great or good.
That’s kind of like saying that just because something thinks you are either a “genius” or an “imbecile”, their thoughts (opinion) about your intelligence doesn’t actually alter your genuine intelligence level in reality.
Posted by: The Serpent at January 24, 2005 9:55 AM
S- http://www.cpa-iraq.org/government/TAL.html
There is the Constitution that we wrote.
S-Algore???Once again, I believe you are relying on inaccurate information.
I think we all remember when Al Gore won the popular vote.
S- I’m not sure I follow? Who makes the rules at your house … the children, or the parents?
we compromise
S-You seem to be hinting that there is a superior system to Democracy without specifying exactly what that system might be?
I did try to register as a Communist.
We are not a democracy. We are a Republic. So apparently our country thinks Republic is better.
Posted by: bongthegong at January 24, 2005 4:11 PM
There is the [Iraqi] Constitution that we wrote.
1) It’s temporary, until a duly elected Iraqi government can create and ratify their own version.
2) The temporary constitution was created with the full cooperation and input of the interim government.
Are you suggesting that they should have no Constitution in the interim (i.e. Anarchy)? Is that a preferable situation from your perspective?
I think we all remember when Al Gore won the popular vote.
The president is determined by the electoral vote. As you pointed out we are (technically speaking) a “Republic”, not a Pure Democracy.
[Who makes the rules – children or adults …] we compromise.
And what if you vehemently disagree? Do you honestly believe that your children have the same capacity to make informed decisions about the future that you do?
Isn’t childhood a process of evolution into adulthood?
[What political system is superior to Democracy?] I did try to register as a Communist.
Do you honestly believe that Communism (or Socialism) is a superior system to Democracy? Is there a (single) specific feature of Communism which you could site as objectively superior?
We are not a democracy. We are a Republic.
I agree, but I would argue that a “Republic” is a valid form (manifestation) of Democracy.
So apparently our country thinks Republic is better.
Yes, and I agree. Democracy requires a higher degree of direct participation. Whereas in a Republic the citizens are free (have the ability) to hire a professional politician to take care of the vast majority of their day to day Democratic obligations.
Posted by: The Serpent at January 25, 2005 7:06 AM




